lapierre, who you are aware is the head of the nra. listen to him. >> gun control, you could ban all dianne feinsteins, do whatever she wants to with magazines, it's not going to make any kid safer. >> okay. they're buddies now. >> they're not buddies. consider the audience that joe biden was talking to. joe biden is good at making deals on the hill because these talking to these guys as equals. we know what's what, i'm not going to promise you the moon, this might make a little bit of a difference. here's the way policy-making works in general. you have a crisis, you break glass in case of emergency. there's some policy agenda that's been collecting dust on the shelf and you break it out. remember the iraq war, same thing. 9/11 happens, iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but a lot of people wanted to invade iraq -- so, they thought, hey, this san opportunity. it relates to terrorism -- >> there's some people who think you're talking crazy talk there >> there are people who want gun control. there was a political opportunity to push gun